Comments on: Chrter 08: Found an Open Link! http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280 Of China changing the World Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:03:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: 王兵 http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-15052 王兵 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:27:47 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-15052 基于一个中国公民权利和自由的表达,特签名支持! 基于一个中国公民权利和自由的表达,特签名支持!

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-623 uln Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:55:46 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-623 Hi, I actually meant to say 零八宪章, I spelled it out as "lingbaxianzhang" because I don't know if you can read characters. If you can not, try copy/paste the characters and search on baidu, the result will be very different. As for the pinyin writing "lingbaxianzhang", you are right, it looks like my blog is not blocked by baidu. Why? I have no clue, seriously, I wonder if I have a guardian angel or something in the propaganda department. What is even more amazing is that I make it into Baidu's first page, it is the first time it happens to this blog (that I have noticed). Perhaps the article above fooled them into thinking I dig china.org. Perhaps it is just because I am a very small English speaking blogger, and normally it is to the Chinese language ones that they pay more attention, for effectiveness and also for HR reasons (i,e. how many people in the propaganda department can speak good enough English to read foreign blogs and decide which is censorable?) Hi, I actually meant to say 零八宪章, I spelled it out as “lingbaxianzhang” because I don’t know if you can read characters. If you can not, try copy/paste the characters and search on baidu, the result will be very different.

As for the pinyin writing “lingbaxianzhang”, you are right, it looks like my blog is not blocked by baidu. Why? I have no clue, seriously, I wonder if I have a guardian angel or something in the propaganda department. What is even more amazing is that I make it into Baidu’s first page, it is the first time it happens to this blog (that I have noticed).

Perhaps the article above fooled them into thinking I dig china.org. Perhaps it is just because I am a very small English speaking blogger, and normally it is to the Chinese language ones that they pay more attention, for effectiveness and also for HR reasons (i,e. how many people in the propaganda department can speak good enough English to read foreign blogs and decide which is censorable?)

]]> By: alou http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-622 alou Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:34:23 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-622 Oh, I guess that I dont know how it works but how come I can find your blogs about lingbaxianzhang in Baidu and google.cn Oh, I guess that I dont know how it works but how come I can find your blogs about lingbaxianzhang in Baidu and google.cn

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-614 uln Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:37:33 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-614 Oh, yeah, of course, it is censored at the level of the search engines. As far as I know, it is not this link in particular that is censored, it is all links that contain the words "lingbaxianzhang". But the site itself is not blocked and you can access freely from China, thanks to Mr. Ferguson, the democratic 烈士. Try again click on the link above, it should open Ok, I just did a minute ago. Oh, yeah, of course, it is censored at the level of the search engines. As far as I know, it is not this link in particular that is censored, it is all links that contain the words “lingbaxianzhang”.

But the site itself is not blocked and you can access freely from China, thanks to Mr. Ferguson, the democratic 烈士. Try again click on the link above, it should open Ok, I just did a minute ago.

]]> By: alou http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-612 alou Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:12:35 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-612 The link is censored in Baidu and google.cn I wonder whether google.com.hk and google.com.tw are censored too. The link is censored in Baidu and google.cn I wonder whether google.com.hk and google.com.tw are censored too.

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-357 uln Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:38:53 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-357 Not as far as I know. But it IS more tolerant of blogs written in English than in Chinese, for sure. That is because the impact they can have in China's "harmonious society" is much lower, given that most Chinese don't care to read blogs in English. And it is definitely also more tolerant (or less informed) of little blogs like mine than it would be of large sites like BBC. I can get away with many things simply because I am not important enough to be significant. Let's hope it lasts :) Not as far as I know. But it IS more tolerant of blogs written in English than in Chinese, for sure. That is because the impact they can have in China’s “harmonious society” is much lower, given that most Chinese don’t care to read blogs in English.

And it is definitely also more tolerant (or less informed) of little blogs like mine than it would be of large sites like BBC. I can get away with many things simply because I am not important enough to be significant. Let’s hope it lasts :)

]]> By: Xujun http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-355 Xujun Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:57:18 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-355 One more question Uln. Is the Chinese government a bit more tolerant of expat blogs in China? One more question Uln. Is the Chinese government a bit more tolerant of expat blogs in China?

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-349 uln Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:15:55 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-349 Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Except that this is not Zuola's blog, it is just a page he set up to post the documents and invite comments. Zuola's blog is at zuola.com and as far as I can see now it remains unaccesible. And yes, it is blogger as a whole that is blocked, not only your blog. That is a very annoying side-effect of the Great Firewall of China. They have little respect for individual users and they think nothing of closing a whole domain even if it affects many "innocent" people. A good example is the guys at Skritter (see my blogroll), who don't deal with any sensitive subjects and actually do a great cultural service, but they have been blocked as part of a general IP/domain block. Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. Except that this is not Zuola’s blog, it is just a page he set up to post the documents and invite comments. Zuola’s blog is at zuola.com and as far as I can see now it remains unaccesible.

And yes, it is blogger as a whole that is blocked, not only your blog. That is a very annoying side-effect of the Great Firewall of China. They have little respect for individual users and they think nothing of closing a whole domain even if it affects many “innocent” people. A good example is the guys at Skritter (see my blogroll), who don’t deal with any sensitive subjects and actually do a great cultural service, but they have been blocked as part of a general IP/domain block.

]]> By: Xujun http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-348 Xujun Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:28:14 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-348 Aha. Do you mean you can read this (Zuola's) blog normally but not mine? Could it be that Blogger.com is blocked as a whole, but not Knol? Aha. Do you mean you can read this (Zuola’s) blog normally but not mine? Could it be that Blogger.com is blocked as a whole, but not Knol?

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/01/16/1280/comment-page-1#comment-347 uln Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:26:04 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1280#comment-347 Hi Xujun, thanks for commenting. Actually, hosting outside mainland China does not make you censor-proof. A good example is your own blog, which is hosted on blogger in the US (I am guessing), but this doesn't stop it from being blocked in China. A different thing is to close down a website. For example, what they recently did to the bullog blog, they closed it down completely, and they could do it because it is hosted in the mainland. So, one thing is what I call a block (website runs normally but it is just not accessible from China) and a different thing is to close down (website totally/partially dissappears). Chrter 08 has suffered both kinds of censorship: some internationally hosted websites have got the BLock, while some mainland hosted blogs (like Sina) have had some threads erased, and others (like bullog) have had the whole site erased/closed down. I hope these clarifies a bit the difference for those not livig in mainland China, as the vocabulary we use is not always very precise :) Hi Xujun, thanks for commenting. Actually, hosting outside mainland China does not make you censor-proof. A good example is your own blog, which is hosted on blogger in the US (I am guessing), but this doesn’t stop it from being blocked in China.

A different thing is to close down a website. For example, what they recently did to the bullog blog, they closed it down completely, and they could do it because it is hosted in the mainland.

So, one thing is what I call a block (website runs normally but it is just not accessible from China) and a different thing is to close down (website totally/partially dissappears). Chrter 08 has suffered both kinds of censorship: some internationally hosted websites have got the BLock, while some mainland hosted blogs (like Sina) have had some threads erased, and others (like bullog) have had the whole site erased/closed down.

I hope these clarifies a bit the difference for those not livig in mainland China, as the vocabulary we use is not always very precise :)

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