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		<title>By: Caonima! The double meeting is here agan! &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-20998</link>
		<dc:creator>Caonima! The double meeting is here agan! &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Post also carries a little interview with one of the most thundering delegates of the 两会, Ms. Zhang Xiaomei. This delegate was very popular last year as an ultra prolific [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Post also carries a little interview with one of the most thundering delegates of the 两会, Ms. Zhang Xiaomei. This delegate was very popular last year as an ultra prolific [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gmmorenito</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>gmmorenito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Por si interesa, dejo aquí un enlace a un artículo que habla del origen de una de las palabras que mencionas en el post: &quot;shanzhai&quot;, un saludo.
http://www.aprendechinohoy.com/blog/?p=1076</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Por si interesa, dejo aquí un enlace a un artículo que habla del origen de una de las palabras que mencionas en el post: &#8220;shanzhai&#8221;, un saludo.<br />
<a href="http://www.aprendechinohoy.com/blog/?p=1076" rel="nofollow">http://www.aprendechinohoy.com/blog/?p=1076</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chinese politics during the National People's Congress (NPC) &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinese politics during the National People's Congress (NPC) &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] functions, so we tend to compare it to a Western parliament.  Some Chinese have compared it to a Carnival instead, and Party top leader Wu Bangguo has stated very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] functions, so we tend to compare it to a Western parliament.  Some Chinese have compared it to a Carnival instead, and Party top leader Wu Bangguo has stated very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Repaso semanal &#124; CHINAYOUREN</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>Repaso semanal &#124; CHINAYOUREN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EL NPC-CPEE: El NPC es una especie de parlamento gigante que se une una vez al anyo en un edificio enorme en la plaza del pueblo de Pekin. Cada provincia manda unos ciento y pico delegados (segun la poblacion) y en total son unos 3,000. La funcion en teoria es legislativa, pero nadie sabe verdaderamente para que sirve: aqui el que corta el bacalao es el politburo, y los demas se dedican a poner sellos. Tanto es el escepticismo de los Chinos respecto a este Congreso que algunos blogueros Chinos le llaman &#8220;el Carnavales de Pekin&#8221;, y los ingeniosos internautas Chinos tienen un monton de bromas con algunas frases miticas de diputados, calificadas como 雷语 (declaracion tronante) . En el blog ingles me curre un tour guiado del internet Chino donde se puede ver eso aqui. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] EL NPC-CPEE: El NPC es una especie de parlamento gigante que se une una vez al anyo en un edificio enorme en la plaza del pueblo de Pekin. Cada provincia manda unos ciento y pico delegados (segun la poblacion) y en total son unos 3,000. La funcion en teoria es legislativa, pero nadie sabe verdaderamente para que sirve: aqui el que corta el bacalao es el politburo, y los demas se dedican a poner sellos. Tanto es el escepticismo de los Chinos respecto a este Congreso que algunos blogueros Chinos le llaman &#8220;el Carnavales de Pekin&#8221;, y los ingeniosos internautas Chinos tienen un monton de bromas con algunas frases miticas de diputados, calificadas como 雷语 (declaracion tronante) . En el blog ingles me curre un tour guiado del internet Chino donde se puede ver eso aqui. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, now that IS a thundering comment. Well done!

Congratulations, and stay assured: in this blog we will always be watching out for those gaudily flowering Worlds, and we will not fail to report if some brighter future comes hopping down the road, so that all our brothers can join the authentic revolution.

Thanks for sharing your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now that IS a thundering comment. Well done!</p>
<p>Congratulations, and stay assured: in this blog we will always be watching out for those gaudily flowering Worlds, and we will not fail to report if some brighter future comes hopping down the road, so that all our brothers can join the authentic revolution.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: wtkh</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>wtkh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPC-CPCC were not set up the way Westerners used to relate to their own legislative bodies. They were set up at the end of World War II when CCP and KMT negotiated for a peaceful agreement, including these consultant organizations as possibly some kind of compromise. That did not worked out and the civil war broke out and the rest is now history. They were and still are ,no more and no less, political tools of the winning Party.

The true people&#039;s power came out through political struggles and more often than not by violent force; they could NEVER be established by means of negotiations among political forces. That power was the Revolutionary Committees in the 1970&#039;s or, what are equivalent, the Soviets in the former USSR in the early stages of the October Revolution during and shortly after 1917.

There is no legislative body which holds true peoples power either in China or in the first world, as yet. Those bodies serving their capitalist masters&#039; fundamental interests are quite popular these days, but when and after the financial crises developed to their noontide , they will be overthrown and replaced with genuine peoples&#039; organizations. So be patient. A far brighter world than this gaudily flowering one will come all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPC-CPCC were not set up the way Westerners used to relate to their own legislative bodies. They were set up at the end of World War II when CCP and KMT negotiated for a peaceful agreement, including these consultant organizations as possibly some kind of compromise. That did not worked out and the civil war broke out and the rest is now history. They were and still are ,no more and no less, political tools of the winning Party.</p>
<p>The true people&#8217;s power came out through political struggles and more often than not by violent force; they could NEVER be established by means of negotiations among political forces. That power was the Revolutionary Committees in the 1970&#8217;s or, what are equivalent, the Soviets in the former USSR in the early stages of the October Revolution during and shortly after 1917.</p>
<p>There is no legislative body which holds true peoples power either in China or in the first world, as yet. Those bodies serving their capitalist masters&#8217; fundamental interests are quite popular these days, but when and after the financial crises developed to their noontide , they will be overthrown and replaced with genuine peoples&#8217; organizations. So be patient. A far brighter world than this gaudily flowering one will come all!</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
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		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FOARP, glad you liked it. I will see what I can do about the characters. The italics are not done intentionally, it is just the &quot;quote&quot; function is defined like that in my blog.

Then again, this post is probably not so useful for people who read Chinese (they can just follow the links and surf on their own) but rather for the ones whose reading skills are low and can benefit from a &quot;browse with ULN&quot; trip.

Also, I am not sure if the post is understandable for those not familiar with China. I might have gone a bit too fast over terms like &quot;雷人&quot; and &quot;山寨&quot;. This would be a pity, because the main objective of posts like this is to introduce outside people to the fascinating world of the Chinese internet. 

So please, if you read this post and didn&#039;t get it, leave your comment or questions so I can answer. This will help me improve for the next time.

Any err.. thundering feedback?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FOARP, glad you liked it. I will see what I can do about the characters. The italics are not done intentionally, it is just the &#8220;quote&#8221; function is defined like that in my blog.</p>
<p>Then again, this post is probably not so useful for people who read Chinese (they can just follow the links and surf on their own) but rather for the ones whose reading skills are low and can benefit from a &#8220;browse with ULN&#8221; trip.</p>
<p>Also, I am not sure if the post is understandable for those not familiar with China. I might have gone a bit too fast over terms like &#8220;雷人&#8221; and &#8220;山寨&#8221;. This would be a pity, because the main objective of posts like this is to introduce outside people to the fascinating world of the Chinese internet. </p>
<p>So please, if you read this post and didn&#8217;t get it, leave your comment or questions so I can answer. This will help me improve for the next time.</p>
<p>Any err.. thundering feedback?</p>
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		<title>By: FOARP</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>FOARP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, putting Chinese in italics makes it difficult to read. Good post though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, putting Chinese in italics makes it difficult to read. Good post though.</p>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: uln</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>uln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm. I agree that the real problem is not the &quot;thundering proposals&quot; in themselves, but rather the role of the NPC and how much power the party really allows it to have. 

But in my understanding the  NPC is more like a legislative body (ie making new laws) rather than checking enforcement, which in our Western systems belongs to the Judiciary.

Oh, well,  but what do I know. Top leader Wu Bangguo said very clearly yesterday that China has a unified system and doesn&#039;t need the separation of 3 powers. But in this case: why keep running this expensive Beijing Carnival every year?

PS: In your comment I think you are mistaking the role of the NPCongress with the role of its participants. These participants are part of the State Council and as such hold positions (like minister, for example) that do government work. But the NPC itself is meant (at least in theory) to have legislative power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm. I agree that the real problem is not the &#8220;thundering proposals&#8221; in themselves, but rather the role of the NPC and how much power the party really allows it to have. </p>
<p>But in my understanding the  NPC is more like a legislative body (ie making new laws) rather than checking enforcement, which in our Western systems belongs to the Judiciary.</p>
<p>Oh, well,  but what do I know. Top leader Wu Bangguo said very clearly yesterday that China has a unified system and doesn&#8217;t need the separation of 3 powers. But in this case: why keep running this expensive Beijing Carnival every year?</p>
<p>PS: In your comment I think you are mistaking the role of the NPCongress with the role of its participants. These participants are part of the State Council and as such hold positions (like minister, for example) that do government work. But the NPC itself is meant (at least in theory) to have legislative power.</p>
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		<title>By: xu</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPC will never be a mature legislature as long as they only show up in March. And their job is not only coming up with good proposals but also seeing to it that laws are enforced, overseeing the work of the governments,especially the local governments. I&#039;m not concerned with their proposals. No matter what, 3000 members are numerous enough to bring about engough good proposals despite those thundering statements. Just hope someday they can pick up their watchdog role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPC will never be a mature legislature as long as they only show up in March. And their job is not only coming up with good proposals but also seeing to it that laws are enforced, overseeing the work of the governments,especially the local governments. I&#8217;m not concerned with their proposals. No matter what, 3000 members are numerous enough to bring about engough good proposals despite those thundering statements. Just hope someday they can pick up their watchdog role.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; China: Online Democracy</title>
		<link>http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/11/1680/comment-page-1#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; China: Online Democracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Chinayouren takes a tour around the Internet to see how netizens respond to the recent NPC-CPCC meeting and online chat between legislators and netize....        Cancel this [...]</description>
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