Comments on: Chinese Politics and the NPC http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744 Of China changing the World Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:19:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Caonima! The double meeting is here agan! | CHINAYOUREN http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-20994 Caonima! The double meeting is here agan! | CHINAYOUREN Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:00:26 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-20994 [...] Oriental Morning Post of Shanghai is doing a nice coverage of the annual NPC-CPPCC meetings this year. I liked today’s paper edition in particular, which carried a couple of cute [...] [...] Oriental Morning Post of Shanghai is doing a nice coverage of the annual NPC-CPPCC meetings this year. I liked today’s paper edition in particular, which carried a couple of cute [...]

]]> By: China: Resumen de la Semana (3) | CHINAYOUREN http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-1230 China: Resumen de la Semana (3) | CHINAYOUREN Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:09:37 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-1230 [...] 2009 es el anyo de los aniversarios. Entre otras cosas, hay aniversarios de: 60 anyos de la Republica Popular, 20 anyos de revueltas de Tiananmen, 50 anyos desde que huyo el Dalai Lama, etc. Ademas, es el 0 aniversario de la Crisis economica, y aunque China esta mejor de lo que pensabamos, nadie sabe verdaderamente donde va a parar todo esto. Es comprensible por tanto que las autoridades esten un poco nerviosas, y ultimamente la censura en internet y las reacciones del gobierno se notan algo mas cerradas, como vimos la semana pasada. [...] [...] 2009 es el anyo de los aniversarios. Entre otras cosas, hay aniversarios de: 60 anyos de la Republica Popular, 20 anyos de revueltas de Tiananmen, 50 anyos desde que huyo el Dalai Lama, etc. Ademas, es el 0 aniversario de la Crisis economica, y aunque China esta mejor de lo que pensabamos, nadie sabe verdaderamente donde va a parar todo esto. Es comprensible por tanto que las autoridades esten un poco nerviosas, y ultimamente la censura en internet y las reacciones del gobierno se notan algo mas cerradas, como vimos la semana pasada. [...]

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-1155 uln Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:16:50 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-1155 It is true that when you see both articles they are not necessarily in conflict. You can understand Wen's "democracy" as "socialist democracy", and then they are just two different ways to call the same thing. And yet, the tone of the messages is completely different. One insist on what they will NOT do, the other insists on what they want to do. Top leaders in China don't usually do direct public statements against each other, they express their support in more subtle ways. And lately, reactions (or lack thereof) to Wen's statements sound very much like lack of support. Again, all this is no more than an informed guess, and my information is no more than my following through Xinhua and PDaily. But I don't think there is any problem with the reasoning. It is true that when you see both articles they are not necessarily in conflict. You can understand Wen’s “democracy” as “socialist democracy”, and then they are just two different ways to call the same thing.

And yet, the tone of the messages is completely different. One insist on what they will NOT do, the other insists on what they want to do. Top leaders in China don’t usually do direct public statements against each other, they express their support in more subtle ways. And lately, reactions (or lack thereof) to Wen’s statements sound very much like lack of support.

Again, all this is no more than an informed guess, and my information is no more than my following through Xinhua and PDaily. But I don’t think there is any problem with the reasoning.

]]> By: 胡让之 http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-1144 胡让之 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:35:23 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-1144 Interesting. But one point is missing: Re-affirming things like no western style democracy by Wu and insisting on political reform by Wen does not conflict each other from the pointof logical reasoning. It is too quick to make any deduction that Wu and Wen are on different terms. They can say that they are talking about two different aspects. Probably you have a great point, but it's not great reasoning. Interesting.

But one point is missing: Re-affirming things like no western style democracy by Wu and insisting on political reform by Wen does not conflict each other from the pointof logical reasoning.

It is too quick to make any deduction that Wu and Wen are on different terms. They can say that they are talking about two different aspects.

Probably you have a great point, but it’s not great reasoning.

]]> By: uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-1096 uln Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:24:56 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-1096 Haha. It is a long time I don't see Charles around here. It is a pity, because I quite liked how he heated the discussion. His favourite phrase was: "you say you like China, but in fact you hate it"... Haha. It is a long time I don’t see Charles around here. It is a pity, because I quite liked how he heated the discussion. His favourite phrase was: “you say you like China, but in fact you hate it”…

]]> By: FOARP http://chinayouren.com/en/2009/03/13/1744/comment-page-1#comment-1095 FOARP Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:18:18 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=1744#comment-1095 Good analysis. It's too easy to see the CCP as a monolith power block - not least because mostly that is what it is, but there are divisions. I wonder whether Charles Liu is going to try to argue that China is still a democracy now? Good analysis. It’s too easy to see the CCP as a monolith power block – not least because mostly that is what it is, but there are divisions. I wonder whether Charles Liu is going to try to argue that China is still a democracy now?

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