Comments on: Google Buzz blocked in China! http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983 Of China changing the World Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:47:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Julen Madariaga http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-23531 Julen Madariaga Sat, 08 May 2010 19:31:08 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-23531 Not sure they cannot block Buzz. It is easier than you think, they only need to block "buzz" string on the URL. But I agree individual buzz posts are difficult to handle because of https. Not sure they cannot block Buzz. It is easier than you think, they only need to block “buzz” string on the URL.

But I agree individual buzz posts are difficult to handle because of https.

]]> By: ev http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-23524 ev Sat, 08 May 2010 13:44:15 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-23524 fwiw, it's not technically possible to block google buzz and not block gmail. it's also not possible to block google buzz in profiles via SSL like this: https://www.google.com/profiles/113506941426753247014#buzz or direct links to buzz https://www.google.com/buzz/113506941426753247014/jGW4mtHgWhK/Will-China-block-Google-Buzz-http-bit-ly-c7pCGc and not block the login URL for google: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin so it's sort of... you either block ALL google services that require you to login, or you don't block them at all. It has passed a lot of time since buzz appeared and it hasn't been blocked. So what could China do? I don't think China will implement DPI in their censors.. also, unless China makes a huuuuge propaganda campaign against Google, people wont like it if they suddenly can't use any of google's services. It really amazes me that it hasn't been blocked so far.. I hope it stays like this :), give china a dose of censorship-free information. fwiw, it’s not technically possible to block google buzz and not block gmail.

it’s also not possible to block google buzz in profiles via SSL like this:
https://www.google.com/profiles/113506941426753247014#buzz

or direct links to buzz
https://www.google.com/buzz/113506941426753247014/jGW4mtHgWhK/Will-China-block-Google-Buzz-http-bit-ly-c7pCGc

and not block the login URL for google:
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin

so it’s sort of… you either block ALL google services that require you to login, or you don’t block them at all.

It has passed a lot of time since buzz appeared and it hasn’t been blocked.

So what could China do?

I don’t think China will implement DPI in their censors.. also, unless China makes a huuuuge propaganda campaign against Google, people wont like it if they suddenly can’t use any of google’s services.

It really amazes me that it hasn’t been blocked so far.. I hope it stays like this :) , give china a dose of censorship-free information.

]]> By: Uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20941 Uln Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:44:08 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20941 Gunthers, thanks for the link, I had already published it myself in the mini-Youren (on the right column of my blog) It is indeed a very interesting article. Gunthers, thanks for the link, I had already published it myself in the mini-Youren (on the right column of my blog)
It is indeed a very interesting article.

]]> By: gunthers http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20928 gunthers Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:36:12 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20928 just passing on a link... Publish and be deleted - Global Times http://special.globaltimes.cn/2010-02/508093.html just passing on a link…

Publish and be deleted – Global Times
http://special.globaltimes.cn/2010-02/508093.html

]]> By: China Travel Trends-Reaching the Chinese Travel Market Online » Blog Archive » China can’t control the net for ever http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20892 China Travel Trends-Reaching the Chinese Travel Market Online » Blog Archive » China can’t control the net for ever Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:59:06 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20892 [...] And here is an interesting article from China Youren about the anticipated fate of Google Buzz: [...] [...] And here is an interesting article from China Youren about the anticipated fate of Google Buzz: [...]

]]> By: Uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20742 Uln Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:09:49 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20742 Giom & Tim: I think the main problem with my post is in the reaction time. As I already observed before, GFW is usually not very fast. Quick patches do exist, and sometimes single pages get blocked within a day of appearance, but most of the times there are long delays. This explains why blocked bloggers usually don't know WHAT exactly made them get GFWd. For example, this site was blocked in June at a time where I had spent almost a month offline, and adding no political content for weeks before that. It must have been on the GFW queue for many weeks before. Anyway, I am glad I reserved that 10% for hedging :) It might still take a few weeks, but I have no doubt that pretty soon we will see some movement. Giom & Tim:

I think the main problem with my post is in the reaction time. As I already observed before, GFW is usually not very fast. Quick patches do exist, and sometimes single pages get blocked within a day of appearance, but most of the times there are long delays.

This explains why blocked bloggers usually don’t know WHAT exactly made them get GFWd. For example, this site was blocked in June at a time where I had spent almost a month offline, and adding no political content for weeks before that. It must have been on the GFW queue for many weeks before.

Anyway, I am glad I reserved that 10% for hedging :) It might still take a few weeks, but I have no doubt that pretty soon we will see some movement.

]]> By: Uln http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20741 Uln Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:00:18 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20741 @kiLLiwatch: Sure, there are many solutions like TOR, proxies, etc. But the problem here is not technical, it is practical: these solutions all require action by the end user (ie. install/open proxy, etc.). And the majority of the end users will NOT take any positive action to be able to get to GBuzz, because they are still not "addicted" to it. So of course, GBuzz will continue to work behind the GFW, (just like Facebook now) but with a very reduced impact, and no chances to expand. @kiLLiwatch: Sure, there are many solutions like TOR, proxies, etc.

But the problem here is not technical, it is practical: these solutions all require action by the end user (ie. install/open proxy, etc.). And the majority of the end users will NOT take any positive action to be able to get to GBuzz, because they are still not “addicted” to it. So of course, GBuzz will continue to work behind the GFW, (just like Facebook now) but with a very reduced impact, and no chances to expand.

]]> By: Tim http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20732 Tim Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:40:24 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20732 Thankfully, looks like your timeline was wrong, but I'm still with you on the end result. Thankfully, looks like your timeline was wrong, but I’m still with you on the end result.

]]> By: Giom http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20701 Giom Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:22:13 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20701 Hmm, seems it is still there Hmm, seems it is still there

]]> By: ChinaGeeks » Twitter: Is it a Trap? http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20575 ChinaGeeks » Twitter: Is it a Trap? Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:25:10 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20575 [...] (and you can add Google Buzz to the list of services like that Chinese dissidents are using, at least for the moment) provides a pretty unprecedented opportunity for would-be prosecutors to compile evidence of [...] [...] (and you can add Google Buzz to the list of services like that Chinese dissidents are using, at least for the moment) provides a pretty unprecedented opportunity for would-be prosecutors to compile evidence of [...]

]]> By: China blogs: New year greetings, Buzz’s buzz, Han Han on Confucius :: Go Chengdoo | Manufacturer China http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20563 China blogs: New year greetings, Buzz’s buzz, Han Han on Confucius :: Go Chengdoo | Manufacturer China Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:03:19 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20563 [...] Buzz, Google’s new email-integrated, Twitter-like product, is throwing people into a tizzy regarding privacy concerns, and after the Google vs. PRC standoff against censorship, Buzz’s implications for Chinese activists is under particular scrutiny. And while everyone else is asking if Buzz will survive the Great Firewall, Uln at Chinayouren has already predicted the software’s downfall in China. [...] [...] Buzz, Google’s new email-integrated, Twitter-like product, is throwing people into a tizzy regarding privacy concerns, and after the Google vs. PRC standoff against censorship, Buzz’s implications for Chinese activists is under particular scrutiny. And while everyone else is asking if Buzz will survive the Great Firewall, Uln at Chinayouren has already predicted the software’s downfall in China. [...]

]]> By: kiLLiwatch http://chinayouren.com/en/2010/02/12/2983/comment-page-1#comment-20554 kiLLiwatch Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:12:22 +0000 http://chinayouren.com/en/?p=2983#comment-20554 A solution can be tunneling your traffic through the Tor network, which adds three layers of encryption as it goes through three nodes. The exit router can not know for who the traffic is, he only knows the middle node. The middle node knows the first and the exit but doesnt know the client <a href="http://tor.eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://tor.eff.org A solution can be tunneling your traffic through the Tor network, which adds three layers of encryption as it goes through three nodes. The exit router can not know for who the traffic is, he only knows the middle node. The middle node knows the first and the exit but doesnt know the client
http://tor.eff.org

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